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Control Plan

Discussion in 'IATF 16949:2016 - Automotive Quality Systems' started by Adolfo, Sep 23, 2015.

  1. Adolfo

    Adolfo New Member

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    We have Control Plan (CP) and PFMEA in our company, and every time that we receive a drawing, management wants so add every note of the Drawing to PFMEA and CP,
    Example:
    Notes
    1.- Make sure to not deform the pins at the bottom of the unit
    2.- Check the connector is not touching the edges of the material

    * My doubt is, Does that need to be on the CP? WHY?? shouldn't be on a Job Instruction? I could imagine on the PFMEA bur not on the CP.

    * Other similar example, But not on drawing notes, but on the line, we have 2 different part numbers, and we have 2 different fixtures,
    Should the CP state that: make sure to use the correct fixture for each product? shouldn't be on a Job Instruction? should it be on PFMEA too?

    What do you think about this??

    Thank you
     
  2. MCW8888

    MCW8888 Well-Known Member

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    Why not put in the Work Instruction and reference the work instruction in the Control Plan?
     
  3. Ganesh Sundaresan

    Ganesh Sundaresan Active Member

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    It simply depends.
    A Note in the Drawing is a requirement and certainly it is advisable to review (not necessarily modify) FMEA based on the new Drawing requirement in order to identify risk (in meeting the new requirement). And if the identified risk needs to be mitigated through additional Preventive/Detective controls, certainly FMEA needs updation of mitigation plan aka recommended actions. Therefore, review of FMEA can have two outcomes, either you stick with current controls or you plan additional controls.

    Now, as for Control Plan and Job Instruction which get into specifics of controls, there are various hypothesis; There are some questions that need to be answered;

    Foremost thing is to understand as to what specific details need to be carried forward based on your review of FMEA. These details need to get into either Control plan or Job instruction really depending on your current structure of these standards. Some specifics are addressed in Job instruction with Control plan just referencing to the Job instruction; While some others directly get a mention in Control plan.
    As for your question on Fixture, I think Control plan has to specify the exact fixture to be used and the details has to be transformed in a language best understood by the Setting Operator through Job instruction. Does it help.
     
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    Probably is not the best solution.
    But if you are working for the "management" the better is do what they want.
    Try to do the Quality System more simple that you can.
     
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    MCW8888 Well-Known Member

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    It also depends what product is supplied. Bulk Control Plan is much easier to construct than the hard parts Control Plan. We do a system Control Plan starting with the input from product development to the delivery to the end customer. If there is a change in the work instructions, we update the work instructions and note it in the "Control method". And all the document control protocol needs to be followed.
     
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    If you are not using the control plan on the floor to actually control anything, and you are using instructions on the floor or a process sheet or something like that - it should be available at the point of use where the lack of the information may affect quality.....

    You should document what is required, either by you or the customer, on the control plan. Putting more information on the control plan than is required can lead to control issues when things change. ISO and TS should not create a job for a document control facilitator to continuously review and update docs. Is it value added? Is it required by us or the customer? Be thorough but don't paralyze your organization.
     
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    I agree!
     
  8. MCW8888

    MCW8888 Well-Known Member

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    How simple can it be without losing the controls necessary to prevent the release of NC product. Try that with Ford Control Plan.
     

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