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Reference to specific standard

Discussion in 'ISO 9001:2015 - Quality Management Systems' started by FatSquirrel, Aug 16, 2018.

  1. FatSquirrel

    FatSquirrel New Member

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    Is it okay to reference ISO 9001:2015 in documentation such as the Quality Manual when still only certified to the 2008 standard? Would it be better to update all references of it to only say "ISO 9001"?
     
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    Andy Nichols Moderator Staff Member

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    Why do you find it necessary to reference the standard IN documentation?
     
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    John C. Abnet Well-Known Member

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    Good day @FatSquirrel;
    Reminder. ISO 9001:2015 no longer requires a quality manual.

    If you do decide to maintain a quality manual, why do you wish to reference any standard at all? (Something to consider ).

    If you do determine to reference ISO 9001, then I definitely would not add the year (version).

    Better yet, why not keep any reference more generic so your system is scalable? Why not simply list any reference as “applicable governing standards”, or something similar? This would allow your system to be scalable if your organization ever adds/consolidates/intergrates addition systems and standards such as ISO 45001, ISO 14001, etc.

    Hope this helps.
    Be well.
     
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    FatSquirrel New Member

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    Past coordinator's have the standard referenced in some of our documentation, so I want to edit/remove in the name of generalizing.
     
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    John C. Abnet Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like this may be your opportunity to clean up some documentation and remove these references @FatSquirrel.
     
  6. Andy Nichols

    Andy Nichols Moderator Staff Member

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    And have made a monster which then has to be fed. KILL THAT MONSTER!:D
     
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    When I first joined it my current employer, ISO accreditation was a ' tick box ' exercise and quality was not about the business but about ISO

    and I have been trying to move away from this myth that it is all about ISO and make our management take ownership of the QMS by trying to changing the culture within the business

    We have now a quality manual and it is built on 2 levels

    Level 1 Quality Manual: provides the scope of the QMS ( what the business wants, expects. Also contains also an overview of management/departmental / employee responsibilities) and the applicable ISO 9001:2015 Clauses contained and supported by our QMS

    Level II Quality System Processes and Procedures: provides detailed requirements for each of our key processes with the intent to specify who does what, when, where, how the process or action / task is performed, and what documentation is used to verify that all required quality/ legal related activities have been executed as required.

    The Quality manual, polices , processes and/or procedures are all about what the company has decided is important to ensure they can provide the services/ products to meet customer requirements, deliver satisfaction and for the business to meet its own targets and legal obligations. ISO helps us do this. Helps us keeps thing in order, accreditation useful in our business to gain more business

    In business we are easily distracted and lose focus of what is important , the QM and the QMS keeps us in focus

    In ISO 9001:2015 there is no requirement for a manual that is true , in fact there is no requirement for you to document processes , or to have a quality manager

    In reality it is still important still to document the important parts of the business , especially areas with highest risk Also good as training material for new employees or for employees asked to cover for illness and holidays etc and management to understand what's important to the business and their role in this

    I reference certain documents just as ISO 9001 is what I do today, just to remind people that our QMS is accredited to a international standard and in order to get that standard our QM / QMS should do what it says on the tin
     
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    Welcome Steve - a nice first post! (BTW your qms is certified, not accredited. Accreditation applies to labs and CBs)
     
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    Always appreciate constructive critisim
     

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