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Quality System Level 2 doc quantity?

Discussion in 'ISO 9001:2015 - Quality Management Systems' started by QMSmaster, Mar 27, 2016.

  1. QMSmaster

    QMSmaster Active Member

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    I am not sure if I am in the correct forum so please move if I am not.

    My companies QMS grew out of control over the last 10 years or so. The problem if there are like 50 level 2 procedures (Level 1 being the manual). You can only imagine how external audits go. It has been a bit of a battle convincing everyone that every document does not have to be a procedure. I plan to blow-up the whole thing and recreate it with maybe 10 procedures (max). I am curious how other peopel here have there QMS structured and how many Level 2 procedures you have.
     
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  2. Andy Nichols

    Andy Nichols Moderator Staff Member

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    Probably the same as yours... You are dealing with the legacy of "say what you do, do what you say" and the infernal pyramid of documents. Try this:

    Take each process and identify CONTROLS needed for that process, including the inputs (what document) and outputs (records) - as well as the "product". Create a document tree. Anything left on the table, you probably don't need and can consign to the shedder...

    Process A:
    Input A
    Control Document A
    Output A
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    Process B:
    Input B
    Control Document B
    Output B​
     
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  3. QMSmaster

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    Yes, it was the legacy effect you mentioned. We have all the original 21 ISO requirements and then all of our own processes.
     
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