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"Non-conforming outputs" - who's happy for this new requirement?

Discussion in 'IATF 16949:2016 - Automotive Quality Systems' started by leyladonmez, Dec 14, 2020.

  1. leyladonmez

    leyladonmez Member

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    Hi,
    I have two question for our process:
    1. We keep the crates where we keep the unsuitable products in the production area, then they are destroyed according to the decision to be made by the quality. Is the absence of locks in these safes an inconvenience for the IATF, ie the quality management system?
    2. We demand the quality control report for all the materials we supply. We take it to the AQP system when we do not have any quality problems for a while and we no longer do the checks in the incoming quality control. Is this possible on all incoming materials? Let's say we have no quality problems in any material, would it be IATF rules inconvenience to apply AQP to all materials?

    thank you.
     
  2. Andy Nichols

    Andy Nichols Moderator Staff Member

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    Leyladonmez:

    Are you asking if non-conforming product must be kept under lock and key? The answer is no.

    What is AQP? You'd have to explain your terminology.
     
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    leyladonmez Member

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    thank you I will try to explain it: we ask for a quality control report from all our suppliers. namely thickness, weight, non-flammability, etc. We want a report in which we will see the results of such measurements. In addition, we also make some measurements on these materials that come in the entrance control. If there are materials that we have not had any problems with for a long time and have not received customer complaints from the materials we supply, we no longer measure these materials in the entrance control, we only get the measurement report from the supplier. my question is: would it be a problem in terms of IATF if we do this application on all materials we supply?
     
  4. Andy Nichols

    Andy Nichols Moderator Staff Member

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    Thanks for the explanation. In principle, there should be no issue with doing what you describe as long as:

    1. The supplier is contractually required to provide this report.
    2. You keep the history to substantiate your decision to stop the checks - maybe through your management review process.
    3. You've audited the process.
    4. Your external auditor isn't close-minded.
     
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  5. Eric Twiname

    Eric Twiname Well-Known Member

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    Note that #1 in Andy's list is required...but it is NOT required (by IATF) that the supplier actually provides the report.
    The data is necessary, and the contract is a nice pretty thing for lawyers to play with...no one cares too much about where the data comes from.

    Note that #3 in Andy's list is not required to be on site or face to face...
    A phone call discussing the process and controls, documented on your end...is an "audit".

    #4 is the most important item on the list...bring a checkbook and a bat. "You get one of these, you choose which one".
     
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    Andy Nichols Moderator Staff Member

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    I didn't make the "audit" clear - NOT the supplier's process, but the internal process. If you are relying on suppliers' reports etc are they being processed effectively...
     
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