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ISO 9001 or TS16949?

Discussion in 'IATF 16949:2016 - Automotive Quality Systems' started by Chris Glover, Aug 18, 2015.

  1. Chris Glover

    Chris Glover Active Member

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    With the changes to ISO 9001 we were directed by upper mgmt to review the new standard and TS and make a recommendation on which we to go. We have no customers that require TS. In our company there are plants registered to both standards (though no one is quite sure why as we have no customers that required TS)

    Our recommendation, based on our gap analysis, was to stay with ISO 9001. Upper management still wants us to continue our review.
    Understanding that TS is also undergoing revision and (to my knowledge) no date has been set for release of the new version are registrars OK with starting the registration process to a standard that when the registration process is complete will not be the same?
    I am struggling with why would we start changing out system to match a standard that is changing...
     
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    IMO Chris, I would recommend staying with the ISO 9001 since you are not required by any of your customers to become TS. This will allow you to focus on the new ISO 9001: 2015 standard and not muddy up the water with TS.
     
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    MCW8888 Well-Known Member

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    Is it possible to just stay in ISO9001:2015 and commit to meet CSR? If an OEM requires TS16949 certification, there's no choice but to comply.
     
  4. Chris Glover

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    We have no requirement to move to TS...hence my frustration with upper management...

    Looking at moving to a standard under revision seems to be a very odd thing to do.

    What we recommended was to re-certify to ISO (Audit is in Oct) and then when the new revision of TS is released we can investigate at that point. Out ISO cert (under the 2008 version) would be valid until 2018 ..so we have couple of years to modify our system to meet ISO 9001 2015 and perhaps TS if we choose.
     
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    The question is, do you have any automotive business? If you do not manufacture parts for production or service, I doubt you will be able to go TS. As I recall, if you do go TS you will have 6 months to obtain automotive production or service parts in order to keep TS.
     
  6. Chris Glover

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    We supply parts to Honda and Harley..neither require TS...
    What is odd is world-wide about 2/3 of our plants ARE TS..and none have customers that require it.
     
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    Mr.Chris, Hi!! this is Rajagopal from Bangalore. In future if you have a Customer who needs a TS what would you do? My idea is have a TS whether you have a customer right now or not, but you may be sub supplier or a Tier 2 company who require a TS.
    Thanks Chris.
     
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    ISO TS certification has a cost. To obtain it and then to maintain it.
    If you go towards automotive business and customers ask for that, then you should evaluate if pursue it.
    This is a strategic decision at management review level.
    As a second choice you could evaluate a period of mere compliance towards ISO TS without being certificated. In any case it is
    always required a long journey to have the organization accustomed to ISO TS quality tools and additional requirements with respect to ISO 9001.
    Also in this case it is required management decision to address resource in this project.
    Hope this helps to the discussion.
     
  9. Andy Nichols

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    It is proposed that TS will be aligned with ISO 9001:2015 at the end of 2016 - you'll have 3 years to make the changes. The rules for what the CBs do are as far away as that date - you don't need to worry about what they'll do at this point.

    It sounds like you have some bigger fish to fry at home. If your management don't know why they are TS certified, start worrying, right there...
     
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    I echo Qusys' response to you. I advise my company to develop a very mature ISO9001:2015 based quality system and and do the Core Tools and have them approved by your OEM customer. TS16949 is a very disciplined standard and is hard to maintain.
     
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    I am in the same situation as you. It was decided that this facility be TS16949 certified in anticipation of future OEM business and as a back-up supply point to our existing TS certified plant. My recommendation is to have an awareness TS training followed by the gap analysis. Appreciate any feedback.
     
  12. Chris Glover

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    We have done all that...
    Our Japanese president has decided..for now we will stay with ISO...but will re-evaluate in a next year or two..
     
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    "TS awareness training" for whom? Can I suggest that the person who does the Gap analysis can use the "awareness" session to make key points about what the requirement is vs the "gap"? Otherwise the 2 will be disjointed. If you are thinking awareness for everyone - save your money. They don't care, don't need to know and it's wasting money. Trust me...
     
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    Thank you for the advice
    I love the Japanese management. They do mandate full compliance to customer specific requirements. We have a Japanese customer that have their own supplier manual. The manual seems to mirror the TS standard. So it is not a problem for us to comply with this demand because we are already TS certified for the big 3.
     

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