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IATF 16949 Clause 7.1.5.3.2 External Laboratory new SI

Discussion in 'IATF 16949:2016 - Automotive Quality Systems' started by Steve Davidson, Apr 22, 2021.

  1. Steve Davidson

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    Hi Quality Forum

    I have a question with regard to the new SI 10 and external Laboratory, which is also slightly linked to FAQ 7 ref what constitutes an internal lab.

    If we are using an external lab for in process testing, (that by the way isn`t ISO:17025 certified) would this be considered as an external lab or could we say that it`s only an inline testing process?

    Thanks and Regards


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    Hello Steve and welcome.

    The idea of the use of (accredited) labs is that you and, therefore you customer can have confidence in the results of testing. If you have a lab you are using and it's NOT ISO/IEC 17025 accredited (not certified, it's quote different) and you rely on the results to make decisions about how good/bad the product is, you are putting that confidence at risk - wherever in the process the lab test is done.
     
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    Thanks Andy,
    Understood and agree with you, question is do you think it constitutes a non conformance?

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    Do you mean an internal audit or external audit nc?
     
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    You have some options in approving a lab. The accreditation is one of them. If one of these options is not taken, then clearly it is a non-compliance (not just an audit finding)
     
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    Hi Andy,

    I am talking about constituting a non conformance in an IAF certification body audit. Our interpretation of the SI is that if you cant find a certified lab that has the scope or in other words an applicable industry standard to test against , then as long as you have assured that they meet the IATF requirements for an internal lab then this is acceptable. We also are not sure if you would need to look locally, nationally or globally.
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    Seems reasonable to me too! You don't have to "empty the tank" trying to find all potential labs to do the work. If you cannot find one to do the work economically, then qualify the lab by the appropriate methodology.

    Caution: Your IATF auditor may not be as reasonable in their interpretation (but their job is NOT to interpret).
     
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