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8.5.2 "...identify the status..."

Discussion in 'ISO 9001:2015 - Quality Management Systems' started by John C. Abnet, Oct 30, 2023.

  1. John C. Abnet

    John C. Abnet Well-Known Member

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    Good day QFO family.
    Curious as to your thoughts regarding this statement. Particularly in context of the following example...

    a) Organization has a bin/container of in-process widgets.
    b) The "router" (identifies part number, lot number, and its progress (level of completion) through the various processes that it goes through as it moves through the facility) is not with the product.
    NOTE: When asked, the operators were able to locate the router after some searching.
    c) The location of the bin is not in a marked location nor otherwise intuitive to an observer in regard to its status (it is not currently being processed, it is not in a designated staging location, etc..etc...

    In other words, someone unfamiliar with this product would not be able to identify where it is supposed to go next, what the part number is, what the lot number is , etc..etc...

    Does the the described condition violate the requirements stated in 8.5.2?

    What say all of you?

    Thanks in advance for your input.
     
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    Andy Nichols Moderator Staff Member

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    I would have a number of questions to ask, first.
     
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    John C. Abnet Well-Known Member

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    such as....
     
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    Is this a frequent occurence? As in, does the router have to leave the “scene of the crime” as part of the day to day, or was there some incident where the router was awol? Is it an expectation that operators know the answers (or are they paid to “operate” and material control people know? Does the content give a clue to what the parts are and where they are in the process? Also, dependent upon thing like the layout of the plant floor, locations of any inspection stations and other physical factors, it could well be that even the location of dunnage wouldn't per se preclude the status being determined, as in "It's here, hence it's awaiting QC, otherwise it'd be down there..." or something very similar.
     
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    Great thoughts @Andy Nichols , and all very valid.

    In reality, it pertained to multiple scenarios, including 'suspect' product that was intended to be contained... So, there were multiple doubtful situations that presented themselves, the least of which was the scenario I provided (i.e., which is why I presented that one, as it was, it held the opportunity for the least confusion), thus the prompt to this group.


    Be well.
     
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    The circumstances in the given facility are not intended for the "unfamiliar someone". He/she should not pass judgment in situations he/she lacks knowledge.
     
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