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8.4.2.5 Supplier development

Discussion in 'IATF 16949:2016 - Automotive Quality Systems' started by Chandrasekhar T, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. Chandrasekhar T

    Chandrasekhar T New Member

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    1)We are under going IATF16949 certification audit by LRQA from 11th to 14th of June 2018 to replace ISO/TS16949. During Purchase department audit on 12th, the auditor asked me to show the Supplier development process for which, I have shown the Risk analysis which is carried out at the time of Initial Supplier site audit. But the auditor expects other processes which demonstrates Performance issues, second party audit findings etc.

    2)Is it necessary that all the approved suppliers will have the IATF16949 certificate in future?

    Request some one to clarify.

    Thanks & regards,
     
  2. Andy Nichols

    Andy Nichols Moderator Staff Member

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    From a practical stand point, supplier performance can be a risk, depending on what's being bought. So what the auditor "expects" may not be much of a risk - for example, fasteners can be bought from many sources. So you should clarify what the auditor is "expecting" compared to what's appropriate for your organization. In a previous life, I had to be single sourced - to the ONLY supplier in the World!

    And, no - it clearly states in the requirements what's "required". ISO 9001 certification by an IAF accredited body. IATF 16949 can't be achieved by some suppliers, so it CAN'T be IATF!
     
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    In my view, Supplier development programs shall be evidenced in following ways
    1. Supplier engagement programs - Cluster forming etc
    2. Supplier second party audit calendar, reports and corrective actions taken at their end
    3. Mistake proofing / KAIZEN carried out at supplier end
    4. Upgradation program from ISO 9001 to IATF
     
  4. Josepi

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    8.4.2.3 Supplier Quality Management System Development
    The organization shall require their suppliers of automotive products and services to develop, implement, and improve a quality management system (QMS) with the ultimate objective of eligible organizations becoming certified to this Automotive QMS Standard.

    Using a risk-based model, the organization shall define a minimum acceptable level of QMS development and a target QMS development level for each supplier.

    Rationale for change:
    Clarified the expected supplier quality management system development progression. This approach supports the “Risk Based Thinking” concept emphasized throughout Section 8.4 of the standard. Additional clarification added with “as applicable” in the first paragraph to address those organizations that are not eligible for IATF 16949 certification (examples including but not limited to the following: scrap metal suppliers, trucking companies who provide transport and logistics support, etc.).

    With the above Sanctioned Interpretation:
    We are a foundry and have 2 kinds of suppliers
    1. Services: which provide value added paint, machining, heat treating etc.
    2. Material Suppliers: Provide scrap metal, alloys, copper, sand, other additives.

    Questions:
    If scrap metal suppliers wouldn't be eligible for IATF, would any of our material suppliers qualify for IATF?
    For material suppliers would we simply develop them to the requirements of ISO 9001? Conforming to 8.4.2.5 of course. We'd need to decide how critical those material suppliers are, analyze their risk, past performance issues, audit findings etc.
     
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    Golfman25 Well-Known Member

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    I would start with ISO. Once you have all your applicable suppliers up to ISO, you can work from there and hopefully additional guidance will have been distributed.
     
  6. RoxaneB

    RoxaneB Moderator Staff Member

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    By your own organizational definition, your materials suppliers are broken down into categories:
    1. Scrap metal
    2. Alloys
    3. Copper
    4. Sand
    5. Other additives
    So, it sounds like 1. could be scratched off the list. I am, by no means, familiar with IATF requirements, but I do come from the words of ISO 9001 and steel manufacturing (i.e., mini-mill where items such as the ones you listed were key to the ability to meet the customer's requirements).

    We included them on our Approved Vendor List (as they were considered critical suppliers) and part of their ongoing, real-time evaluations included the paperwork with incoming deliveries (indicating product specs - e.g., size, chem specs, etc. - so that we could ensure it match what we requested), the right to random sampling/testing, timing, trending of evaluation results, etc.). For what it's worth, however, we included our scrap metal suppliers on our AVL, as well. We wanted to keep the suppliers "honest", so we evaluated them on scrap metal type, size, quality (e.g., covered in grease or dirt), free from hazardous additions (e.g., propane cylinders)), etc.
     

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