ISO 9001 or related Lead Auditor Courses - Validity and Autheticity

Hi All,

I have a great query to discuss.

My opinion is that it is not mandatory in any legal/standards/related document that Lead Auditor training of a standard like say ISO 9001:2015 - the usual 40 hrs training - should be from CQI IRCA/ Exemplar or RAB QSA? OR learning services provided certification must be used as a tool to validate quality of training. Like ISO 27993.

Also, IRCA courses certificates mention a varied date of 3 years and five years expiry.

Can't a good training agency or trainer can independently impart 40hrs Lead Auditor training?

If one has conducted second party and third-party audits - as an auditor will still his certificate expire?

My research till now leads to following:

1. But none of the standards like IAF/ISO mentions the accredited requirements like ISO 17021 or any IAF guidelines document. Even a food safety standard like FSSC 22000 or BRCGS doesn't mention this.
2. Also, if I want to be an auditor for 9001/14001/45001 then why one needs to do the ISO 19011 auditing stuff done in each LA course. why one needs 15 days training. Like 5-day course as it usually marketed.
3. If I have done an LA 9001 IN 2015, and done audits/trainings for say an year - 30-40manday audits in 2017, would my LA credentials still valid? Certificate though says that it has expired in 2020 (after five years of my course). How we calculate validity? as I have not seen auditors resit in auditor exams after their five years except when standard changes which is on average 8-9 years.
4. LA Courses - accredited ones have lots of complains in many regions including self-projections, tools for forcing out the trainings. I have seen auditors who were LA trainers to recommend LA to everyone. As it will bring more business and more royalties. Accreditations should not act as royalty base business.