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Change of Scope

Discussion in 'IATF 16949:2016 - Automotive Quality Systems' started by Andy Nichols, Oct 28, 2021.

  1. Andy Nichols

    Andy Nichols Moderator Staff Member

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    Does anyone know if there's an IATF Rule, or FAQ or SI on any requirements when changing scope?
     
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    I would have to look, but off the top of my head, when we added operations to our facility, we had to have a scope expansion audit. Which I believe was just a half day. Since you're changing your scope, not sure if the same rules apply or not. Is the scope change drastic?
     
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    Good day @Andy Nichols ;
    A review of all current documents (FQA, SI, Rules, etc...) found references per the attached documents.

    (On a side-note. Knowing you as I believe I do....I would guess you are already WELL AWARE ;) of any specific requirements and are simply prompting "us" to think and consider. So, I gotta' ask..."what's your point caller? " :) )

    Be well.
     

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    Andy Nichols Moderator Staff Member

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    LOL - I had not found those 2 references! I was posed this question recently: "How do I add Process X which is a new facility?" I was thinking more in terms of other aspects which might be considered and was surprised to find - as you've pointed out - there's no defined approach to how adding a process etc. to scope is supposed to be managed.:eek:

    I felt certain that some criteria would be defined: How long should the process have been run to generate performance data? When is the change of scope audit to be conducted? Is it expected that internal, process and product audits have all been implemented on the change of scope? And so on...
     
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    The company does "coatings" and has added painting, which is generally classed as a coating, however, from a sales/marketing perspective, the difference is important. It's a bit like comparing "assembly" and "fabrication", for example.
     
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    Gotcha! Reference 3.2 in the IATF rule book states that the client is to notify CB of changes, which include scope of operations under the certified management system.
     
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    Yup, exactly. The CB auditor doesn't like to walk into an audit and have a change of scope "sprung" on them. Makes sense.
     
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    Not sure if the MS Certification Bodies handle this similar to lab Accreditation Bodies (e.g. ANAB...ISO 17025) or not. ANAB recognizes what they call a "scope expansion", which can be managed via a minimalistic on-site or remote assessment (depending on the extent of the change.

    Be well.
     
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    Good point @John C. Abnet . Experience shows that there are a couple of factors at play: The nature of the scope change and (we'll call it "risk" for want of a better term) and the headcount associated. Then there's timing of the implementation.

    Some are relatively small scope changes and, of course, some could be major. Both will require significantly different approaches to verification. Hence my thoughts that the IATF Rules don't apparently seem to have considered it.
     
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