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9001 Lead auditor training

Discussion in 'ISO 9001:2015 - Quality Management Systems' started by MRH_2019, May 14, 2019.

  1. MRH_2019

    MRH_2019 Member

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    Hi All,

    I am being asked by my company to complete a Lead Auditor Certification. I am located in California. Does anyone have a suggestion on course I can take to complete this certification? I am not sure what things I should look for in a course. When I search online, it seems like there are a lot of options out there.
     
  2. Andy Nichols

    Andy Nichols Moderator Staff Member

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    Lots of things, but before that can I ask "why?" Are you going to become a "lead auditor"? Are you going to do supplier audits and lead a team of (1 minimum) auditors? If the answers are "No", you can get everything you need in just a 3 day Internal Auditor course, save money and time and confusion in the process!

    Unless you intend becoming a Lead Auditor, then why get the training?

    If you are "voluntold" to do this training (and management want to throw money away), then look for an accredited course, like an Exemplar Global approved course, or IRCA and use a non-Registrar provider. They mainly teach auditing from the CB auditors' perspectives and that's not suitable for internal auditors. Try Oriel Stat-a-Matrix, for example.
     
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    I too am Looking to get some sort of certifications, (for sake of having the piece of paper, also want the training) thank you for the question MRH and information Andy!!
     
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    Hi All,

    I and a coworker are already designated as lead auditors for our facility but they would like us to get the true certification to prove competency.
     
  5. Andy Nichols

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    It doesn't do that, sadly. All it shows is you attended a course, and passed and exam. Competency comes from experience, lots of experience. If your auditor qualification states that, your organization need to rethink that. Trust me - I have created and run (including IRCA/RABQSA accredited) lead auditor courses for well over 2 decades.
     
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    I totally agree. We both are aware of this. However, they still want us to have "paper". Competency is about knowledge and not about certificates. I have known many who have no certificates but can "run circles" around auditors with their competency in ISO.
     
  7. Jennifer Kirley

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    I took a good accredited Lead Auditor class from Bureau Veritas. I agree with Andy that a lot of Internal Auditors won't require the extent of training in Lead Auditor courses, but I would think it is worthwhile for those who manage the organization's audit program. This would include the certification process and dealing with third party auditors and registrars.
     
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    Can I ask why, Jen?
     
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    Jennifer Kirley Moderator Staff Member

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    As I said:
    That was the case for me when I was an Internal Auditor.
     
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    I would like you to please elaborate why you think getting the LA training would put one on an even playing field with CB auditors. What does "even playing field" mean?
     
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    Non-sense. Attending a course is not the same as being an Exemplar Global or IRCA qualified auditor.
     
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    There are times I notice this when I observe CB audits. Acting like they know more of the processes, products and services than the auditees/process owners who have been there for 15 years and up.
     
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    That's what I thought you meant. Look at the advertisements for CB auditors, however, and you will likely see expectations for more than passing a 5-day class.
     
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    This is a concise statement that is true. We all would have benefited if your message had been this clear earlier.
     

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