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No project to audit during 2020

Discussion in 'ISO 9001:2015 - Quality Management Systems' started by Kodirl, Jan 11, 2021.

  1. Jennifer Kirley

    Jennifer Kirley Moderator Staff Member

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    Surveillance audits do not need to cover the entire QMS.

    Internal audits could be done on all sorts of other processes. Isn't maintenance still required? Don't documents and so on still need to be managed? So internally audit those and hold your management review. Also please keep in mind that nothing in ISO 9001 requires the management review to be held in person.

    I want to recall now that ISO 17021 is a standard for CBs to use, not to apply its clauses to organizations certifying to ISO 9001. I see references to 17021 that could be adding to the confusion instead of helping resolve it.
     
  2. Andy Nichols

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    Totally agreed! Why reference a standard which is almost of zero significance to an ISO 9001 certified organization, as if it's a reason for them to do anything?
     
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    The words “consider” or "take into consideration" mean it is necessary to think about but can be excluded, whereas “take into account” means it is necessary to think about but cannot be excluded.
     
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    Totally ageee. Under the pandemic the CB can implement an appropriahte alternatve approach, for instance to postpone the forthcoming surveilance audit by 6 months. But the organization should be informed about this option. It should inform the CB about the interruption of activies due to pandemic and seek a relvant advice.
     
  5. Andy Nichols

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    Possibly, but I'm uncertain as to how this post relates to the thread.
     
  6. Jennifer Kirley

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    Exactly. ISO 9001:2015 contains language that is designed to provide flexibility for the organization, as long as they go to the effort to engage appropriate planning and consideration of societal, market and other forces that present or impact issues that influence operations.

    To put it simply, we often need to adjust for current events and the standard allows us to do that but our decisions should be documented.

    To be clear, the OP is subject to ISO 9001 and not ISO 17021. I really do not want to over-complicate this subject.
     
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    To be clear, the OP said "a construction project" and not "all construction projects." Since we have established that ISO 17021 allows some processes to be skipped during surveillance audits, I am not clear on the need for all these actions.
     
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    Revise your internal audit procedure stating the periodicity of internal audit may be further varied in case of no projects ; Force majure situation; pandamic; criticality of the process or project; availability of projects including human resources and previous audit results.
    Simple no worries