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8.4.2.4.1 Second-party audits

Discussion in 'IATF 16949:2016 - Automotive Quality Systems' started by John C. Abnet, Aug 31, 2017.

  1. John C. Abnet

    John C. Abnet Well-Known Member

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    Good day all;
    I would like to start a general conversation regarding the following verbiage...

    "If the scope of the second-party audit is to assess the supplier's quality management system, then the approach shall be consistent with the automotive process approach"

    More specifically, let's discuss the term "...automotive process approach".

    Most specifically, let's discuss the qualifying term "...automotive..."


    Be well
     
    John C. Abnet, Aug 31, 2017
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  2. Andy Nichols

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    The automotive terms is fairly well defined in the rules. The "process approach" as yet to be determined IMHO. People talk about it, but, in my experience, few have a clue...
     
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    John C. Abnet Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Andy Nichols. Can you provide reference please ?

    Thank you.
     
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    Andy Nichols Moderator Staff Member

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    The IATF rules edition 5 (No 2016) page 6, 1.0 Eligibility
     
    Andy Nichols, Sep 1, 2017
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    Golfman25 Well-Known Member

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    That's just aitomotive thinking they are special. Is there really such a thing as the automotive process approach? And it's different from the process approach how? Don't think so.
     
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    John C. Abnet Well-Known Member

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    Found it...thank you Andy Nichols.
     
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    Well, given that in the (post) QS-9000 Audit world, auditors were walking around auditing "elements" in isolation of everything else, it's understandable, isn't it? Sadly the deployment of "Turtle" diagrams as an auditing tool hasn't improved much, IMHO...
     
    Andy Nichols, Sep 1, 2017
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